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	<title>Comments on: Why Really Smart People Disagree On Who Won The Debate</title>
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		<title>By: Mix Fake and Real, the Palin Way &#8212; Authentic Organizations</title>
		<link>http://www.jonathanfields.com/blog/why-really-smart-people-disagree-on-who-won-the-debate/#comment-5559</link>
		<dc:creator>Mix Fake and Real, the Palin Way &#8212; Authentic Organizations</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.jonathanfields.com/blog/why-really-smart-people-disagree-on-who-won-the-debate/#comment-5536</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 04:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would it be right to say, people don&#039;t like to be wrong? And will argue their point, even if it isn&#039;t the best solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would it be right to say, people don&#8217;t like to be wrong? And will argue their point, even if it isn&#8217;t the best solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Fields</title>
		<link>http://www.jonathanfields.com/blog/why-really-smart-people-disagree-on-who-won-the-debate/#comment-5525</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Fields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 12:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Will - great questions about the intersection of actual &quot;bias&quot; and the consistency principal. While related, they are not quite the same. 

Bias is more about leaning a particular way on an issue, a bias is something you develop over time based on many different experiences.

Consistency is a bit different, though it can probably be considered a &quot;subset&quot; or contributon to bias. It is a deeply ingrained pyschological effect that makes an individual want to act and speak consistently with with acts, decisions and thoughts you&#039;ve previously taken, especially if you&#039;ve already made those public. It&#039;s a more of a hidden filter to influences the perception of the facts that lead to a bias.

@ Andrew - Interesting, part of the whole consistency principal is about who deeply committed you were to your position, too. And, as I mentioned, it influences everyone to a different degree.

@ Katinka - no doubt, time can help us evolve from a position, especialy because the faurther away we get from an initial act or though, the less we tend to feel he need to stay consistent

@ Shelley - Yup, you touched on another fundamental principal of belief, repetition breeds belief, regardless of whether the original event had any basis in fact

@ Deb - It is tough to disagree, but it&#039;s also a little tough to stomach for folks (like me) who consider themselves able to be fair and objective. So, I get arguing that the principal doesn&#039;t apply to &quot;me,&quot; but simple arguing it doesn&#039;t always make it so.

@ Lindon - No doubt, the effect extends way beyond politics in blogging, social media, and pretty much every aspect of our lives. It&#039;s actually a fundamental element of persuasion and can be tapped &quot;for good or for evil.&quot; ;-)

Influence has been one of the most influential books I&#039;ve read in years, on the way I think, write and market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Will &#8211; great questions about the intersection of actual &#8220;bias&#8221; and the consistency principal. While related, they are not quite the same. </p>
<p>Bias is more about leaning a particular way on an issue, a bias is something you develop over time based on many different experiences.</p>
<p>Consistency is a bit different, though it can probably be considered a &#8220;subset&#8221; or contributon to bias. It is a deeply ingrained pyschological effect that makes an individual want to act and speak consistently with with acts, decisions and thoughts you&#8217;ve previously taken, especially if you&#8217;ve already made those public. It&#8217;s a more of a hidden filter to influences the perception of the facts that lead to a bias.</p>
<p>@ Andrew &#8211; Interesting, part of the whole consistency principal is about who deeply committed you were to your position, too. And, as I mentioned, it influences everyone to a different degree.</p>
<p>@ Katinka &#8211; no doubt, time can help us evolve from a position, especialy because the faurther away we get from an initial act or though, the less we tend to feel he need to stay consistent</p>
<p>@ Shelley &#8211; Yup, you touched on another fundamental principal of belief, repetition breeds belief, regardless of whether the original event had any basis in fact</p>
<p>@ Deb &#8211; It is tough to disagree, but it&#8217;s also a little tough to stomach for folks (like me) who consider themselves able to be fair and objective. So, I get arguing that the principal doesn&#8217;t apply to &#8220;me,&#8221; but simple arguing it doesn&#8217;t always make it so.</p>
<p>@ Lindon &#8211; No doubt, the effect extends way beyond politics in blogging, social media, and pretty much every aspect of our lives. It&#8217;s actually a fundamental element of persuasion and can be tapped &#8220;for good or for evil.&#8221; <img src='http://www.jonathanfields.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Influence has been one of the most influential books I&#8217;ve read in years, on the way I think, write and market.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyndon Antcliff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyndon Antcliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 11:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting to apply this concept to blogging or social networking. If you link to a blog and say good things about it, you are more likely to back it up when it pumps out mediocre stuff.

I see a lot of this happening with those who meet at conferences and favour the mediocre content of their friends than the brilliant content of someone they have never met.

Actually half way through the book, loved the section on Reciprocity and see that working all the time in social media marketing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting to apply this concept to blogging or social networking. If you link to a blog and say good things about it, you are more likely to back it up when it pumps out mediocre stuff.</p>
<p>I see a lot of this happening with those who meet at conferences and favour the mediocre content of their friends than the brilliant content of someone they have never met.</p>
<p>Actually half way through the book, loved the section on Reciprocity and see that working all the time in social media marketing.</p>
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		<title>By: Deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 04:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How could you not agree?  I know I fall into this consistency mode, time and time again.  We can try to be objective, but I truly believe that once we take a position, it&#039;s really tough to do a 360.  I think those who insist that they can be objective really don&#039;t look deep inside to take a side and lean either way to begin with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How could you not agree?  I know I fall into this consistency mode, time and time again.  We can try to be objective, but I truly believe that once we take a position, it&#8217;s really tough to do a 360.  I think those who insist that they can be objective really don&#8217;t look deep inside to take a side and lean either way to begin with.</p>
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		<title>By: shelley adelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>shelley adelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do agree that the more times I hear something, the more I tend to believe in it, or the validity of it.

Is that not how positive reinforcement works?  

I saw the debates with two friends that had clear (and opposite) party affiliations and both seemed to believe that in presentation it was a draw. There were differences on who won once we got down to the specifics of issues (each believed their candidate won because they had already decided that the fundamental message of their candidate was the right one and therefore always correctly argued) 

As an independent I found the entire event, and each of their-and the pundits-opinions, spectacular in their collective assumptions on that note.

Hmmmm....

Interesting thing for me to think on for a few days-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do agree that the more times I hear something, the more I tend to believe in it, or the validity of it.</p>
<p>Is that not how positive reinforcement works?  </p>
<p>I saw the debates with two friends that had clear (and opposite) party affiliations and both seemed to believe that in presentation it was a draw. There were differences on who won once we got down to the specifics of issues (each believed their candidate won because they had already decided that the fundamental message of their candidate was the right one and therefore always correctly argued) </p>
<p>As an independent I found the entire event, and each of their-and the pundits-opinions, spectacular in their collective assumptions on that note.</p>
<p>Hmmmm&#8230;.</p>
<p>Interesting thing for me to think on for a few days-</p>
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		<title>By: Use Real Authenticity to Establish Fake Authenticity: Sarah Palin shows organizations how &#8212; Authentic Organizations</title>
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		<dc:creator>Use Real Authenticity to Establish Fake Authenticity: Sarah Palin shows organizations how &#8212; Authentic Organizations</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 21:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to be authentic in other areas. Combine real substance with good acting and offer this mix to an audience that desperately wants to believe in someone or some organization &#8220;like&#8221; you, and you might look authentic enough to entice their [...]</description>
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		<title>By: katinka  - spirituality</title>
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		<dc:creator>katinka  - spirituality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 08:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do agree. I don&#039;t think I&#039;m immune. I do think however that time changes things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do agree. I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m immune. I do think however that time changes things.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Weaver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Weaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 04:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have to agree with you on this, but I must have been the odd man out last night. The person I wanted to win the debate did not perform well, IMHO. I was disappointed and then surprised when I started hearing the pundits and other friends saying they thought it was the other way around. I asked the question, &quot;Did we just watch the same debate?&quot;, but from an entirely different viewpoint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have to agree with you on this, but I must have been the odd man out last night. The person I wanted to win the debate did not perform well, IMHO. I was disappointed and then surprised when I started hearing the pundits and other friends saying they thought it was the other way around. I asked the question, &#8220;Did we just watch the same debate?&#8221;, but from an entirely different viewpoint.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 03:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those who consider themselves more able to make good decisions despite what you previously believed are probably at least partially right (after all, the above bias is something we all have).  I&#039;d be willing to bet though that those people tend to make more of an effort to be informed on some of these issues.  There&#039;s not genetic difference of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who consider themselves more able to make good decisions despite what you previously believed are probably at least partially right (after all, the above bias is something we all have).  I&#8217;d be willing to bet though that those people tend to make more of an effort to be informed on some of these issues.  There&#8217;s not genetic difference of course.</p>
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