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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.jonathanfields.com/blog/how-marketing-kills-innovation/#comment-1360</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 06:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan, stellar thought provoking post. Being a student of marketing, entrepreneurial pursuits and spirituality I find myself having to take a good hard look at myself and motives on a daily basis.

I love to create marketing campaigns the pull but if the meat isn&#039;t there in the product or service my conscious can wreak havoc with my state of being. I&#039;ve learned to make sure that what&#039;s offered matches the offer... in this day of squeeze pages and poorly written hype stuffed sales letters I think this is something we all need to do ( I do love good copy, as long as the product or service is as good as the message used to sell it )

I love what you said about social media leveling the playing field ( as it should ) and this is definitely a nice shift and an exciting time to be alive.

Thank you for creating content that makes me look myself in the eye... hurray Jonathan!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan, stellar thought provoking post. Being a student of marketing, entrepreneurial pursuits and spirituality I find myself having to take a good hard look at myself and motives on a daily basis.</p>
<p>I love to create marketing campaigns the pull but if the meat isn&#8217;t there in the product or service my conscious can wreak havoc with my state of being. I&#8217;ve learned to make sure that what&#8217;s offered matches the offer&#8230; in this day of squeeze pages and poorly written hype stuffed sales letters I think this is something we all need to do ( I do love good copy, as long as the product or service is as good as the message used to sell it )</p>
<p>I love what you said about social media leveling the playing field ( as it should ) and this is definitely a nice shift and an exciting time to be alive.</p>
<p>Thank you for creating content that makes me look myself in the eye&#8230; hurray Jonathan!</p>
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		<title>By: Building business and blogs with extreme value &#124; Awake At The Wheel &#124; Small Business &#124; Personal Growth</title>
		<link>http://www.jonathanfields.com/blog/how-marketing-kills-innovation/#comment-1216</link>
		<dc:creator>Building business and blogs with extreme value &#124; Awake At The Wheel &#124; Small Business &#124; Personal Growth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 22:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ege Ersoz</title>
		<link>http://www.jonathanfields.com/blog/how-marketing-kills-innovation/#comment-1059</link>
		<dc:creator>Ege Ersoz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 01:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Jonathan.

It&#039;s not that marketing kills innovation. Rather, marketing is often used as a crutch for people who cannot or do not innovate. You know, push a mediocre product or service or content out there, and hype it up with marketing.

Car companies have been doing this for years. Every unremarkable, mundane mid-sized sedan has commercials on TV and &quot;insane deals&quot; at car dealers. Whereas for remarkable cars, like the Hummer or the Mini, you don&#039;t see many ads because the product doesn&#039;t need them.

For those companies, the engineering department IS the marketing department.

So, like you hinted at, I think the amount of marketing necessary to promote a product is inversely related to how remarkable and original and authentic the product/service/content is.

-Ege</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Jonathan.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that marketing kills innovation. Rather, marketing is often used as a crutch for people who cannot or do not innovate. You know, push a mediocre product or service or content out there, and hype it up with marketing.</p>
<p>Car companies have been doing this for years. Every unremarkable, mundane mid-sized sedan has commercials on TV and &#8220;insane deals&#8221; at car dealers. Whereas for remarkable cars, like the Hummer or the Mini, you don&#8217;t see many ads because the product doesn&#8217;t need them.</p>
<p>For those companies, the engineering department IS the marketing department.</p>
<p>So, like you hinted at, I think the amount of marketing necessary to promote a product is inversely related to how remarkable and original and authentic the product/service/content is.</p>
<p>-Ege</p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
		<link>http://www.jonathanfields.com/blog/how-marketing-kills-innovation/#comment-1023</link>
		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that&#039;s too funny... I was going to start my post saying you sound a lot like me... rage against mediocrity and all that is less than inspiring and excellent:)(perhaps you have a &quot;libra&quot; thing going on as well?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s too funny&#8230; I was going to start my post saying you sound a lot like me&#8230; rage against mediocrity and all that is less than inspiring and excellent:)(perhaps you have a &#8220;libra&#8221; thing going on as well?)</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Fields</title>
		<link>http://www.jonathanfields.com/blog/how-marketing-kills-innovation/#comment-1022</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Fields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 21:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Bob - lol, you sound like me...the more I write or talk, I think I can pretty convince myself into or out of any point of view!  heehee!

What I was trying to get across was not that marketing is innately bad, but that it often serves as an easier alternative for lack of end-stage innovation.  And, it&#039;s that final push in the innovation process that is not only the hardest, but usually the most impactful.

Interesting question about the role of manufacturer and designer in the innovation process, too.  I guess it really depends on the specific nature of the product/service/content.

No doubt, having a marketing-pro at hand, once you&#039;re ready to let her/him do their stuff is a great asset, because it lets you do what you&#039;re best at!

@ Corinne - ahhh shucks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Bob &#8211; lol, you sound like me&#8230;the more I write or talk, I think I can pretty convince myself into or out of any point of view!  heehee!</p>
<p>What I was trying to get across was not that marketing is innately bad, but that it often serves as an easier alternative for lack of end-stage innovation.  And, it&#8217;s that final push in the innovation process that is not only the hardest, but usually the most impactful.</p>
<p>Interesting question about the role of manufacturer and designer in the innovation process, too.  I guess it really depends on the specific nature of the product/service/content.</p>
<p>No doubt, having a marketing-pro at hand, once you&#8217;re ready to let her/him do their stuff is a great asset, because it lets you do what you&#8217;re best at!</p>
<p>@ Corinne &#8211; ahhh shucks!</p>
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		<title>By: Corinne Edwards</title>
		<link>http://www.jonathanfields.com/blog/how-marketing-kills-innovation/#comment-1021</link>
		<dc:creator>Corinne Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan, I love you.

Every post is better than the last.

Value wins every time.

I stumbled it.  People should be reading your articles!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan, I love you.</p>
<p>Every post is better than the last.</p>
<p>Value wins every time.</p>
<p>I stumbled it.  People should be reading your articles!</p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
		<link>http://www.jonathanfields.com/blog/how-marketing-kills-innovation/#comment-1019</link>
		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am in agreement for the mojority of your post... 

Seems all to often marketing is working in over drive and the promise doesn&#039;t hold up to reality. 

I don&#039;t know if our customers would mud wrestle to get their hands on one of our products but I can say the majority of them will pay a premium and wait 3 to 6 months for it to be made.

 I think I&#039;m doing something right but still think a marketing expert could lend better advice or help map out areas I am not familiar with. their is a definate need for marketing people.

They can make a world of difference to a small business.

And a final thought... shouldn&#039;t innovation be more a shared responsibility between the designer/manufacturer and the marketeer... as opposed to leaving it up to the designer./manufacturer? 

 why is it assumed that if you can make design or prototype a product you will be good at selling it? seems we are the least likely to be good at that... 

isn&#039;t that why marketing people exist? to take this burdon off our shoulders so we can keep being innovative in our new products?

I&#039;ll bet we have 50 designs we have not had time to prototype because that same amount of time is taken up doing the things we have the least experience with. markketing is the beginning of our level of incompentancy and seems that is the exact time to seek help.

so, I&#039;d have to say for me, a marketing pro would be a great asset and not merely a innovation stiffler.

lol, now that i re-read this, seems like i don&#039;t agree with your post as much as i had originally thought:)

anyway, happy new year and try to look for the balance between the two:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in agreement for the mojority of your post&#8230; </p>
<p>Seems all to often marketing is working in over drive and the promise doesn&#8217;t hold up to reality. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if our customers would mud wrestle to get their hands on one of our products but I can say the majority of them will pay a premium and wait 3 to 6 months for it to be made.</p>
<p> I think I&#8217;m doing something right but still think a marketing expert could lend better advice or help map out areas I am not familiar with. their is a definate need for marketing people.</p>
<p>They can make a world of difference to a small business.</p>
<p>And a final thought&#8230; shouldn&#8217;t innovation be more a shared responsibility between the designer/manufacturer and the marketeer&#8230; as opposed to leaving it up to the designer./manufacturer? </p>
<p> why is it assumed that if you can make design or prototype a product you will be good at selling it? seems we are the least likely to be good at that&#8230; </p>
<p>isn&#8217;t that why marketing people exist? to take this burdon off our shoulders so we can keep being innovative in our new products?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll bet we have 50 designs we have not had time to prototype because that same amount of time is taken up doing the things we have the least experience with. markketing is the beginning of our level of incompentancy and seems that is the exact time to seek help.</p>
<p>so, I&#8217;d have to say for me, a marketing pro would be a great asset and not merely a innovation stiffler.</p>
<p>lol, now that i re-read this, seems like i don&#8217;t agree with your post as much as i had originally thought:)</p>
<p>anyway, happy new year and try to look for the balance between the two:)</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Fields</title>
		<link>http://www.jonathanfields.com/blog/how-marketing-kills-innovation/#comment-1017</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Fields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 18:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Wunkel - Sorry it took a few minutes to respond to your comment...I was busy warming my coffee from yesterday! ;-)  

Thanks for your insights.  My perspective is generally small-biz and entrepreneurs, so it&#039;s nice to get the line from people who&#039;ve worked on big business, too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Wunkel &#8211; Sorry it took a few minutes to respond to your comment&#8230;I was busy warming my coffee from yesterday! <img src='http://www.jonathanfields.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>Thanks for your insights.  My perspective is generally small-biz and entrepreneurs, so it&#8217;s nice to get the line from people who&#8217;ve worked on big business, too!</p>
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		<title>By: Wunkel</title>
		<link>http://www.jonathanfields.com/blog/how-marketing-kills-innovation/#comment-1016</link>
		<dc:creator>Wunkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 18:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a long term ad writer for major ad agencies, I cannot agree more about the whole mantra that seems to be &quot;Don&#039;t worry, Marketing will pick up where innovation left off and then we&#039;ll start the whole cycle over again with widget 2.0.&quot; You should have seen some of the ludicrous things our product division would promote with the screaming enthusiasm of a late-night infomercial hack jacked up on Zoloft. I remember once this little twerp from one of these companies going on and on about his new innovation that was going to revolutionize the way secretaries and executives increase their job efficiencies. The product? a USB cofee cup warmer. No, I am not kidding. &quot;Just imagine the increased productivity! Now you don&#039;t have to wait in line in the office kitchen and waste precious time negotiating the microwave.&quot; He was alarmed and hurt that I didn&#039;t jump out of my seat and start doing cartwheels when he showed me his invention. Maybe my coffee was too cold...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a long term ad writer for major ad agencies, I cannot agree more about the whole mantra that seems to be &#8220;Don&#8217;t worry, Marketing will pick up where innovation left off and then we&#8217;ll start the whole cycle over again with widget 2.0.&#8221; You should have seen some of the ludicrous things our product division would promote with the screaming enthusiasm of a late-night infomercial hack jacked up on Zoloft. I remember once this little twerp from one of these companies going on and on about his new innovation that was going to revolutionize the way secretaries and executives increase their job efficiencies. The product? a USB cofee cup warmer. No, I am not kidding. &#8220;Just imagine the increased productivity! Now you don&#8217;t have to wait in line in the office kitchen and waste precious time negotiating the microwave.&#8221; He was alarmed and hurt that I didn&#8217;t jump out of my seat and start doing cartwheels when he showed me his invention. Maybe my coffee was too cold&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: shane</title>
		<link>http://www.jonathanfields.com/blog/how-marketing-kills-innovation/#comment-1015</link>
		<dc:creator>shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 17:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it amazing. No matter how much we proclaim from the rooftops that we care about our audience and bla bla bla ... (which we do)

In the end, we are always just talking to ourselves. Heck, I&#039;ve always considered my blog and my articles as a way to process what is happeneing in our business and in my life. Basically, you are all my group therapy!

&lt;a href=&quot;http://selfmadechick.com/2008/01/06/the-one-word-that-help-my-blog-grow-to-800-subscribers-in-17-weeks/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Christine just wrote a bit about that&lt;/a&gt; though it is slightly different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it amazing. No matter how much we proclaim from the rooftops that we care about our audience and bla bla bla &#8230; (which we do)</p>
<p>In the end, we are always just talking to ourselves. Heck, I&#8217;ve always considered my blog and my articles as a way to process what is happeneing in our business and in my life. Basically, you are all my group therapy!</p>
<p><a href="http://selfmadechick.com/2008/01/06/the-one-word-that-help-my-blog-grow-to-800-subscribers-in-17-weeks/" rel="nofollow">Christine just wrote a bit about that</a> though it is slightly different.</p>
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